November 29, 2005

Warriors move to Firhill

Posted by Editor on November 29, 2005 03:48 PM | 41 comments | Print | E-mail author

Firhill will be Glasgow Warriors' home until the end of the season
Glasgow Warriors will be moving home for the remainder of the season to Firhill, the ground of Partick Thistle FC.

The move sees the Warriors remain in the West end of the city but with the added bonus of easier access from the motorway, two underground stations (Kelvinbridge and St George's Cross) within easy walking distance as well as better (all undercover) seating, catering and bar facilities for supporters.

Scottish Rugby Chief Executive Gordon McKie said: "Professional sport needs a professional stadium. The move to Firhill is part of our wider review of infrastructure and we feel that it is in the best interests of Glasgow Warriors to offer them the best facilities we can, ones which unfortunately Hillhead Sports Club cannot offer. I believe this move will be better for our players, our fans, our sponsors, the media and better on the whole for rugby in Glasgow."

Warriors head coach Hugh Campbell said: "From the players' and coaches' perspective, the ground is excellent. Not only the playing surface and pitch area but also the surrounding amenities like changing rooms and floodlighting. There's also the added bonus of under-soil heating so we won't have the same worry about postponing matches due to the cold weather."

Warriors club captain Jon Petrie added: "We've played there before a few years back and really enjoyed it. It's quite an enclosed stadium and the crowd are really close to the pitch so I'm sure the boys will still appreciate the same atmosphere and vocal support as we did at Hughenden."

Brown McMaster, Chairman of Partick Thistle FC, said: "We are delighted to welcome Glasgow Warriors to Firhill for what we hope will be a long and mutually beneficial relationship."

The Warriors move to Firhill follows on from other successful rugby matches recently held at football grounds: Scotland U21 have in the past season played at Falkirk and Inverness Caledonian Thistle football grounds while Scotland took on Japan in last season’s historic 100-8 Autumn Test victory at McDiarmid Park, Perth (home of St Johnstone FC) and The Barbarians in the historic 38-7 win at Pittodrie in Aberdeen.

The deal sees Warriors remain at Firhill for their eight remaining home games with the agreement to be reviewed at the end of the season.

Warriors season ticket holders and supporters who have bought tickets for this weekend's game against Edinburgh Gunners can rest assured that their tickets are still valid for the match at the new venue. Further information for home and visiting supporters will be available shortly on our website www.glasgowwarriors.org

Comments
Posted by hugh on November 29, 2005 04:06 PM | Reply to this comment

Firhill for thrills. Remember the Maryhill Magyars?

Posted by hugh on November 29, 2005 09:02 PM | Reply to this comment

Remember the history. Where did Thistle take their colours from? Yes, West of Scotland FC.

Posted by Seagull on November 29, 2005 05:00 PM | Reply to this comment

Badger came to grief and John Leslie was given grief and the bird last time we played Northampton there.

Posted by Gordon on November 29, 2005 05:11 PM | Reply to this comment

According to the Thistle website, the agreement will also see the possibility of a deal extending for a further two seasons.

Posted by hugues on November 29, 2005 06:57 PM | Reply to this comment

Do you think the new location can attract bigger crowds?

Posted by sunday5 on December 3, 2005 10:28 AM | Reply to this comment

The two things that shall draw bigger crowds to the Warriors are wins (obviously) and perhaps, more importantly, continuity. We need to build a stable platform, and all this mix-up is not doing that.

Give us a list of all the games, tell us where we are playing and stick to it. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE don't tell us in three months time that the Warriors are relocating to Shotts!

Posted by Dunaskin on November 29, 2005 08:37 PM | Reply to this comment

When did all this happen about Firhill? What's the real reason for pulling out of Hughenden? Now the majority of fans will have to drive to see the Warriors home games. Once again, Glasgow fans are not given adequate communication about what is going on with their team. Only last week eighty of us turned up at Hughenden to kick-off a Supporters Club and the main gripe that came across about the Warriors and the SRU was poor or no communication with the fans. Waken up SRU and remember who is paying off your overdraft.

Posted by Green on November 30, 2005 08:58 AM | Reply to this comment

It is now a month since our last home game and with only four days to go before our game aginst The Gunners we are told that the game will be at Firhill. Even yesterday in The Herald the advert/competition by the main sponsors Highland Spring gave the venue as Hughenden. (Mind you, they also said that JP would be playing!) Nothing wrong with Firhill but more communication is required to those who have already invested in Glasgow Warriors through buying season tickets.

Posted by iaingbrown on November 30, 2005 09:01 AM | Reply to this comment

Unbelievable. Like many supporters I live close to Hughenden and hence the reason for season ticket. Not happy.

Posted by East Coaster on November 30, 2005 10:48 AM | Reply to this comment

Yes, unbelievable that some people complain about having to travel an extra mile or so! Some of us season ticket holders travel 70 miles to support our team! True supporters will follow their team anywhere.

Posted by garyipa on November 30, 2005 10:56 AM | Reply to this comment

Well said East Coaster!

Posted by gbmcgn on November 30, 2005 11:28 AM | Reply to this comment

Yes, well said East Coaster.

Posted by East Coaster on November 30, 2005 12:20 PM | Reply to this comment

Nice idea, but don't fancy the 70 miles to work each day!

Posted by Big Blue on November 30, 2005 01:20 PM | Reply to this comment

Sorry, EC, I meant our fellow supporter from the Hughenden area.

Posted by sunday5 on December 3, 2005 10:36 AM | Reply to this comment

HA! If he sold his Hughenden flat he could probably buy Maryhill!

Posted by sunday5 on December 3, 2005 10:34 AM | Reply to this comment

Well said, East Coaster. I traveled for 18 hours from a job I was doing in INDIA for the Connacht game! So I am afraid I cannot sympathise with the "Fir Hill? But that means I shall have to use the Underground" lobby. Get off your laurells and do somthing possitive lads, CHEER YOUR TEAM TO VICTORY and stop dripping about the extra milage!

Posted by Big Blue on November 30, 2005 12:10 PM | Reply to this comment

Would you possibly think of moving to a flat somewhere in the vicinity of Firhill? It would ease your travel concerns.

Posted by hugh on November 30, 2005 12:33 PM | Reply to this comment

Might inspire the Warriors- Thistle once got into the final stages of the F.A.Cup

Posted by Big Blue on November 30, 2005 01:21 PM | Reply to this comment

They once got in to the final stages of the Scottish Cup.

Posted by Seagull on November 30, 2005 02:07 PM | Reply to this comment

In 1921 they won it.

Posted by Big Blue on November 30, 2005 02:36 PM | Reply to this comment

Did you get a day off school to celebrate?

Posted by DRGreg on November 30, 2005 04:27 PM | Reply to this comment

I heard from a Hillhead/Jordanhill Sports Club insider that the committee told the SRU/Glasgow Warriors to sling their hook because the club is losing money hand over fist when hosting Glasgow Warriors games.

They are probably going to have to sell off land for property development just to repay their debts. I too am sad to see us leave Hughenden. Firhilll just doesn't have the intimacy of Hughenden (you can't banter with the linesman for one thing).

Posted by colin on November 30, 2005 04:44 PM | Reply to this comment

What about the reserved seats in the main stand? Will it be a free-for-all at Firhill? Anybody sits anywhere? What about people who have paid £149 for a child seat in the main stand? Will they be reinbursed? Season ticket holders who paid for standing will now get the same seats as people who paid £50 more. Don't know about anybody else but I feel conned.

Posted by Ashleigh on November 30, 2005 05:18 PM | Reply to this comment

As far as I know, arrangements on seating for the time being are that Family Stand and Terrace Season Ticket Holders are being accommodated in the Jackie Husband Stand. Not heard about those who have bought Gold Tickets etc, but give it time, things will have to be sorted out. I'm sure in the end you won't feel conned.

Posted by colin on November 30, 2005 06:21 PM | Reply to this comment

Give it time! The first match is on Sunday! It should have been sorted out long before we were informed of this switch, or is the paying customer not important enough. Where do we go on Sunday ?

Posted by hugh on November 30, 2005 06:29 PM | Reply to this comment

Come on Colin! Eveybody in Glasgow knows where Firhill is. Are you from Edinburgh?

Posted by colin on November 30, 2005 06:59 PM | Reply to this comment

WHERE DO WE GO IN THE GROUND TO SIT?! Of course I know where the cesspit is! Why am I now subsidising a Football club (poor) instead of a rugby club? You can't offer people reserved seats for the season, get them to pay for them, and change venue halfway through a season. Has rugby gone professional? Doesn't seem like it from where I used to sit.

Posted by hugh on December 1, 2005 09:29 AM | Reply to this comment

Not sure if the term 'Cesspit' is helpful here. Thistle have made great strides to improve their facilities. When can we expect Glasgow Rugby to stand on its own feet financially and develop a stadium without relying on the SRU? Dream on!

Posted by Gordon on November 30, 2005 06:30 PM | Reply to this comment

I'd imagine all that information is in the letter that has been sent to season ticket holders. Some supporters are discussing it in the forum.

Posted by hugues on November 30, 2005 09:38 PM | Reply to this comment

The big problem in the UK is that the town, region, and government don't build and maintain sports installations, is that right?

It must be a nightmare (about money) to build and maintain big infrastructures like stadiums for private club/pitch, especially if it doesn't attract big crowds.

We are so lucky in France about that.
In my local club, the town (15000 people) provides pitch and facilities, maintaining, and give 10 000 quids a year for functionning.

Posted by hugh on December 1, 2005 09:25 AM | Reply to this comment

Massive cultural/political differences. Scotstoun falls into this category to an extent, however in a Scottish context is is debatable that a local authority should underwrite "professional" sport otherwise maybe Rangers and Celtic should also get a subsidy.

Posted by myriadhex on December 1, 2005 12:19 AM | Reply to this comment

What a shambles. No communication, no consultation, an announcement 4 days before the next game (you can be sure some people will turn up at Hughenden on the day) and the usual intelligence-insulting press release to claim everybody's thrilled. Not me, I'm another for whom the Hughenden location is a big issue - who wants to drink in Maryhill after a game? And what letter? I've not had one. Or any e-mails from Glasgow Rugby since 13 October - if they're not going to announce this on e-mail, when are they going to announce anything? It's hard to think of everything that better illustrates the contempt that the Scottish Rugby Union has for rugby supporters. And how can Hillhead be losing money? Why don't they just charge the SRU more?

OK, rant over, I'll still go along. Glad I bought the cheaper ground season ticket, mind!

Posted by Scott the Scot on December 1, 2005 02:59 PM | Reply to this comment

WHAT A BUNCH OF COMPLETE WHINGERS! Listen, there is more at stake here than whether you can drink Hoegaarden in a posh wine bar after the match! Some people have to travel EVERY time they watch a match, and this move is happening because HSC is too small-minded too appreciate the benefit of having the Warriors based there. Whose comment was that about "where will the people with the cheap tickets be sitting?" and "can I get a refund if the commoners get an upgrade?" Snobbish attitudes like that are holding back our sport, and come from the people who are too posh to shout on the team! Great news about moving to Firhill - only way to expand and improve the facilities - if we help Thistle with paying their overheads that's great too! Those who REALLY follow the team will be happy - we'll MAKE it our new home. Hillhead don't even want us! Well done Mr McKie - don't take any sh..nonsense!

Posted by Highlandbrave75 on December 1, 2005 03:50 PM | Reply to this comment

Yeah great stuff on helping Partick Thistle's "overheads"! Let's feed the coffers of the football teams while the SRUs own rugby member clubs are forced into adminstration with the same SRU policy of leaving their clubs high and dry in holding back payments for subsidy in helping out with gameday travel etc.

One example of a team here who is doing well in one of the divisons yet finds itself £8k short because the SRU haven't helped with travel payments in the last 12/16 months.

Nevermind though the SRU waves goodbye at their own member clubs drowning in the deep end while at the same time helping to fund their newfound football chums. You really couldn't make it up.

By the way "Hillhead don't want us". I think you'll find that the SRU pulled out the deal with Hillhead. Never read too much into media reports in news print.

Posted by colin on December 1, 2005 04:42 PM | Reply to this comment

What snobbish attitudes are you talking about? I want what I paid for at the start of the season- no more, no less. I agreed to buy a season ticket for a certain area of the Hughenden ground. The SRU have broken that contract. Wanting what you have paid for is the correct attitude. You seem to read comments not actually posted. This type of farce is what is holding back Scottish Rugby, not the punter who is paying for the product.

I too travel a distance to every match- that is why I purchased a reserved seat in the stand, so I would always get the seat I wanted, not to get away from the commoners as you put it.
You obviously have little business sense if you think paying a football club for using a ground is going to take RUGBY forward.

The money generated by drink/food sales will go to that FOOTBALL club not Glasgow Warriors. Why don't you pay 3 times the standing ticket prices to stand? That will put more money into rugby (or is that a stupid idea? Because that is what is happening already) Fleeced? I think so.

Posted by Big Blue on December 2, 2005 12:22 PM | Reply to this comment

Colin, you clearly have an advantage over the rest of as you have seen the contract between the SRU and PTFC. At least, I assume you have as you tell us PTFC will picking up all revenue from the sales of food and drink.

Is there anything else in the agreement you think would be of interest to us and would you be prepared to share it with us?

Posted by colin on December 2, 2005 03:56 PM | Reply to this comment

Dont start getting pretentious! Of course nobody outwith the SRU or the Glasgow FOOTBALL team will see the contract. Ask yourself the question- why would any football club allow rugby to be played on their nice smooth playing surface unless there is a big financial sweetner for them. The cost of re-laying turf for a football pitch is high. A least one reason for moving there is good, it will now allow 10,000 fans to watch our games.

Hughenden was after all straining with these large crowds that we get for every game!

Posted by hugh on December 2, 2005 06:25 PM | Reply to this comment

Get a life Colin! The Jags are doing rugby a favour! How often have you been to Firhill?
Thistle is a Glasgow institution, giving sports fans an alternative to the Old Firm. In the past, families with a rugby background have given great service to the Maryhill Magyars- remember, whether we like it or not, football is king in Glasgow and you, me, the Glasgow Warriors or the might of the SRU will not change that!

Posted by colin on December 2, 2005 06:59 PM | Reply to this comment

West end clap trap. The Jags are not doing rugby a favour. They are clearly profiting from this farce. Other teams and sports provide an alternative to the Old Firm. Lose this romantic notion of Thistle, they want to make money like every other team in Scotland except the super hoops (Queens Park). What was wrong with going to somewhere like Old Anniesland? Firhill will have no atmosphere like Murrayfield for a Gunners game.

Posted by Weegie on December 3, 2005 12:04 AM | Reply to this comment

When are all the moaners and whingers on this web-site going to waken up? If you want to influence matters and tell people what to do go back and get involved in a rugby club, on the committee. Become a blazer, in fact, perhaps at Hillhead Sports Club.

Professional rugby is different. The spectators don't sit on the committee and tell people what to do. They pay at the gate. They are customers of a rugby business. The arrangements that the rugby business makes to supply its product to its customers include the team, the ground and the supporting facilities and it charges for supplying them.

If the product/price package is not attractive the customers will not turn up and the business has a problem which it will need to address. If the offering is attractive the number of customers - i.e. the crowd - will grow and the business will prosper. At all times, however, the business will respond to the behaviour of its customers in aggregate. That's what a business does.

Whether a rugby business pays money to those who own a ground originally designed for soccer is irrelevant to the rugby business. What is important is whether the cost of hiring the ground results in larger crowds, growing gate receipts and a surplus of income over outlays, which may be used to develop the business and help it prosper.

That was not happening at Hughenden, because amateur blazers were in charge, running a club - although they could not run a bath - and the club was going down the pan. They wanted Glasgow Warriors out so that they could sell some of their property inheritance to save their club. The Warriors obliged and departed.

End of story at Hughenden. Let's look forward to success at Firhill!

Posted by McDruid on December 3, 2005 12:17 AM | Reply to this comment

Well said, Weegie. At last a bit of reality in this surreal debate!

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